Comments on: project hosting … (for tinypy?!) http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/ games, tech, web, stuff, biz, and bilge Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:20:28 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: C. G. Brown http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1895 C. G. Brown Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:16:56 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1895 At ProjectLocker, we offer very inexpensive Subversion and Trac hosting as well. Even if you choose a provider such as Google Code or one of our competitors, I'd recommend you go with hosting. Just because you're good at it doesn't mean it's where you want to spend time (and by extension, money, since your time is valuable) maintaining and making sure everything is backed up properly. Let someone else worry about those mundane factors, be it us, Google, or someone else. Hosting will be your cheapest option. At ProjectLocker, we offer very inexpensive Subversion and Trac hosting as well. Even if you choose a provider such as Google Code or one of our competitors, I’d recommend you go with hosting. Just because you’re good at it doesn’t mean it’s where you want to spend time (and by extension, money, since your time is valuable) maintaining and making sure everything is backed up properly. Let someone else worry about those mundane factors, be it us, Google, or someone else. Hosting will be your cheapest option.

]]> By: Doug Napoleone http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1887 Doug Napoleone Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:59:11 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1887 I am currently hosting code on google, launchpad, and under two trac sites. Trac is very nice as you can customize the look and feel of the site to a great extent, create custom bug workflows and there are spam filters you can set up. The problem is there are maintenance costs and you need to learn trac. There are plugins to get it working with HG and Bazzar. In the end it's good for doing most things, but you do end up having to do a fare amount of work either bending to Trac's ways or making it bend to yours. Google code does one thing but it does it very well. It is very inflexible, when it comes to skinning, and you are stuck with what they give you. It's SVN and no other option. Closing bugs via checkin comments is not supported yet. But it is very easy to hand off ownership of a project to someone else. Launchpad is very nice, but there are caveats if you are developing on windows. I am currently hosting code on google, launchpad, and under two trac sites.

Trac is very nice as you can customize the look and feel of the site to a great extent, create custom bug workflows and there are spam filters you can set up. The problem is there are maintenance costs and you need to learn trac. There are plugins to get it working with HG and Bazzar. In the end it’s good for doing most things, but you do end up having to do a fare amount of work either bending to Trac’s ways or making it bend to yours.

Google code does one thing but it does it very well. It is very inflexible, when it comes to skinning, and you are stuck with what they give you. It’s SVN and no other option. Closing bugs via checkin comments is not supported yet. But it is very easy to hand off ownership of a project to someone else.

Launchpad is very nice, but there are caveats if you are developing on windows.

]]> By: Marius Gedminas http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1879 Marius Gedminas Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:49:46 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1879 Just to muddle the waters: there's also launchpad.net. No, I haven't used it for project hosting myself (although I recently decided to try out its bugtracker for a couple of my projects). Trac has the unfortunate downside of having no spam filters in place, out of the box. Once the spammers discover your wiki & bug tracker, you'll either have to manually keep cleaning it up (from the sqlite console, what fun!) or forbid anonymous access. Oh, another nice thing -- trac has no built-in user registration. Just to muddle the waters: there’s also launchpad.net. No, I haven’t used it for project hosting myself (although I recently decided to try out its bugtracker for a couple of my projects).

Trac has the unfortunate downside of having no spam filters in place, out of the box. Once the spammers discover your wiki & bug tracker, you’ll either have to manually keep cleaning it up (from the sqlite console, what fun!) or forbid anonymous access. Oh, another nice thing — trac has no built-in user registration.

]]> By: Rockins Chen http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1865 Rockins Chen Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:10:23 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1865 Maybe google is a good choice, since i found I can access it fast. But for other sites, it does not(except sourceforge). Maybe google is a good choice, since i found I can access it fast. But for other sites, it does not(except sourceforge).

]]> By: Ken Robins http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1860 Ken Robins Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:19:49 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1860 Use google code, it is clean, useful and gives you freedom to put your energy in something more creative than maintaining trac or something. Use google code, it is clean, useful and gives you freedom to put your energy in something more creative than maintaining trac or something.

]]> By: Benjamin Sergeant http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1859 Benjamin Sergeant Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:11:47 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1859 Another cool thing with Trac is that you have more choice than svn for the revision control system, and lots of plugins. Another cool thing with Trac is that you have more choice than svn for the revision control system, and lots of plugins.

]]> By: Diego Martins http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1856 Diego Martins Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:01:14 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1856 You already have your own site. Just use trac, svn, csv, etc. You already have your own site. Just use trac, svn, csv, etc.

]]> By: philhassey http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1848 philhassey Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:46 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1848 I prefer forums myself. I don't really like being on all sorts of mailing lists that send junk to me everyday. Forums are nice, you can check them when you want and if they have RSS you can subscribe to that if you want it to show up at your door. I prefer forums myself. I don’t really like being on all sorts of mailing lists that send junk to me everyday. Forums are nice, you can check them when you want and if they have RSS you can subscribe to that if you want it to show up at your door.

]]> By: Joseph Lisee http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1847 Joseph Lisee Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:15:19 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1847 I manage a (currently) close source project on Trac. As I see it one of the major downsides to google code is that it prevents the community from maintaining its "wiki". Only people with commit access can update it, which really removes the point of a wiki in the first place, which is to allow the community to build up its own documentation. Just look at Ogre's wiki: www.ogre3d.org/wiki That could of never been built if the owner of the project has used google code to do the hosting. Google code also lacks any kind of forum's integration. I know some people shun forums, and like mailing lists instead, but forums are another tool to build a community that keeps an open source project going. On the Trac side, I like that it can be made into an attractive main/developer site: http://divmod.org/trac http://developer.pidgin.im/ I manage a (currently) close source project on Trac. As I see it one of the major downsides to google code is that it prevents the community from maintaining its “wiki”. Only people with commit access can update it, which really removes the point of a wiki in the first place, which is to allow the community to build up its own documentation. Just look at Ogre’s wiki: http://www.ogre3d.org/wiki That could of never been built if the owner of the project has used google code to do the hosting.

Google code also lacks any kind of forum’s integration. I know some people shun forums, and like mailing lists instead, but forums are another tool to build a community that keeps an open source project going.

On the Trac side, I like that it can be made into an attractive main/developer site:
http://divmod.org/trac
http://developer.pidgin.im/

]]> By: Toothy http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/comment-page-1/#comment-1846 Toothy Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:14:32 +0000 http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/03/29/project-hosting-for-tinypy/#comment-1846 Another vote for google code. I have hosted Trac myself in the past and it was a lot of work that I now get for free at google code. Advantages of Trac that I can think of: better HTML (their wiki sytnax is a little bit richer), when you host Trac it means you also host a webserver so you can run CGI scripts, use apache's access controls etc. Trac allows you to hide more information (that is restrict access to some content). Google code will not. Another vote for google code.

I have hosted Trac myself in the past and it was a lot of work that I now get for free at google code.

Advantages of Trac that I can think of: better HTML (their wiki sytnax is a little bit richer), when you host Trac it means you also host a webserver so you can run CGI scripts, use apache’s access controls etc.

Trac allows you to hide more information (that is restrict access to some content). Google code will not.

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